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In the Commemoration in Ukraine section the picture titiled "March of UPA veterans through Przemyśl' should be removed. Przemyśl is in Poland and since 2007 when this picture was taken the display of UPA symbology in public is illegal, making this image rather outdated. 94.172.109.57 (talk) 09:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that many Russian Wikipedia users are eager to justify the accusation of "Nazism" against anyone, who is condemned by their government. But my question is: how can we seriously claim that UPA, a Ukrainian nationalist organization, was Nazi (factions?) if the very ideology of 'Nazism' claims that Ukrainians are "subhumans"? This is absurd. UPA was xenophobic, totalitarian and committedcrimes against civilians, but callkng it Nazi is the same as calling the Communist Party, or Israeli Army Nazi. Skoropadsky (talk) 23:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reference that UPA was engaged in guerrilla warfare against Nazi Germany should be moved to the end after Soviet Union and Poland/Polish civilians, out of all three, UPA fought the Germans the least (not to mention collaborated with them) and when they did fight, most of the time it was becuase the Germans attacked UPA. The way the text in the indroduction section reads now, it presents a misleading narrative that Nazi Germay was UPAs first enemy and that is clearly not the case. In fact, UPA killed by far more Polish civilians than anybody else, and that just shows how limited their attacks on the Germans or even the Soviets were. Out of all three, the massacres of Poles was UPA's most significant action and by far. 60,000-100,000 Polish civilians killed compared with 8,786 Soviet troops and even less German troops (some estimates put the figure at only several hundrend and not even thousands). 94.172.109.57 (talk) 12:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To add, I would argue that the massacres of Poles was UPAs most significant undertaking, given how limited the scope of their actions were against the Germans and Soviets, and at the very least the Indroduction section should place Nazi Germany at the end. --94.172.109.57 (talk) 13:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This source (Piotrowski, Tadeusz (1998). Poland's Holocaust. McFarland. pp. 224, 233, 234) is in the lede. It was dubiously marked as "failed verification." From Poland's Holocaust:
"On July 15, 1944, the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council (Ukrainska Holovna Vyzvolna Rada, or UHVR, an OUN-B outfit) was formed and, at the end of that month, signed an agreement with the Germans for a unified front against the Soviet threat. This ended the UPA attacks as well as the German countermeasures. In exchange for diversionary activities in the rear of the Soviet front, Germans began providing the Ukrainian underground with supplies, arms, and training materials."
This statement likely has no citation, and only the subsequent statements come from Snyder: “The OUN pursued a policy of infiltrating the German police to obtain weapons and training for fighters. In that role, it helped the Germans to carry out the Holocaust.” Dubious, unsourced minimization of true relationship. 134.41.86.92 (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Carlp941, regarding your tags removal [1] - The Snyder's book is not available to me, so I can't confirm the quote. But most of the content in those paragraphs do not describe the article subject. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:45, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch. Someone messed up that citation, should be the Himka source, not Snyder. I'll also add some clarification that it was the OUN-B and not the OUN. However, it is not dubious.
From UKRAINIAN COLLABORATION IN THE EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS DURING WORLD WAR II
"A remarkable example is the decision by the Bandera movement to infiltrate the Ukrainian police units set up by the Germans. Although the police units were at first largely recruited from the pre-existing police forces, volunteers were also accepted, especially after the Germans realized that the pre-existing police formations, particularly in the pre-1939 Soviet Ukraine, included a large number of Communist party members in their ranks. The Bandera movement, that is, the radical wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was intent on establishing a Ukrainian state and understood that it needed an armed force to achieve this goal. Participation in the police units would provide Ukrainian nationalists with some training and with arms. " Carlp941 (talk) 21:23, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
